AMD Ryzen

Discussion in 'Technology' started by bfun, Dec 12, 2016.

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  1. surprise launch...



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  2. I'm glad that AMD may finally have a legit Core i7 competitor. But this feels like too little too late. This would have been huge news...back in 2011.
     
  3. I don't think it is. Intel have decided to stop developing new chips properly but still keep the prices high so AMD catching up if not exceeding them is good for the industry.

    A lower price point may also tempt more people into buying gaming PCs as they don't have to spend as much on a system to get something really good.
     
  4. Had to watch the Hitler video to find out AMD did good. Glanced at the chart, wasn't on top, wrote it off.
     
  5. Ryzen could cost $1 and beat Intel in every benchmark. Wouldn't matter because everyone already went Intel this gen.
     
  6. From the excitement I've seen, I think it going to sell well. First, there were plenty of people that wanted an 8 core Broadwell-e but had to settle for a 4 core i7 due to the cost. Second, there are people like me still in the Sandy Bridge and Ivy Bridge range that never felt compelled to upgrade. Now we might. Third, new gaming PC builders on a budget are going have to choose between the Ryzen 3 or a Pentium and the Pentium reputation isn't good.

    This was a smart move by AMD. They went after Intel in their weakest spot. The overpriced aging Broadwell-E line. If they had targeted Skylake they would have failed but now they have a chance for a comeback.
     
  7. #28 cmdrmonkey, Feb 23, 2017
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    I have a Haswell i7 4770K, and I'll probably be sticking with it until something happens to my motherboard. It's so fast that it's never the bottlenck in games. I would imagine many people are in the same boat I'm in, with an Intel chip that's so fast they've stopped caring about CPUs.

    As much as I want to see a war between Intel and AMD that will force down prices and lead to innovation, I don't see that happening. AMD is just coming out with this way too late.
     
  8. I don't know if that makes sense.... there will always be X amount of people upgrading each year. Now they have a choice and incentive to go AMD.
     
  9. I'm actually trying to keep my enthusiasm in check. I can't even tell the difference between Skylake i5s I've used and my Ivy Bridge i5. I don't have a good reason to upgrade either. There are a few games that do better on i7s than i5s so hyperthreading and more USB 3 ports might convince me. I think Intel's Coffee Lake is coming out in 2018 and it's supposed to be a 6 core version of Kaby Lake so it would seem mores cores is in the future for Intel as well.
     
  10. I'm the type of guy that AMD is after. The cost of Intel's CPUs was always a turnoff from coming back to PCs from consoles, because I'm cheap. If AMD can get me close to Intel's performance for a fraction of the cost, shut up and take my money. I'm hoping by the time I am ready to spend the money later this year, these two companies are trying to undercut the pricing of each other.
     
  11. Intel is slashing prices.

    Intel Core i7-6950X ($1599 US) - $300 Price Cut
    Intel Core i7-6900K ($999 US) - $200 Price Cut
    Intel Core i7-6850K ($549 US) - $150 Price Cut
    Intel Core i7-6800K ($359 US) - $140 Price Cut
    Intel Core i7-5820K ($319 US) - $100 Price Cut
    Intel Core i7-7700K ($299 US) - $80 Price Cut
    Intel Core i7-6700K ($259 US) - $140 Price Cut
    Intel Core i7-4790K ($279 US) - $90 Price Cut
    Intel Core i7-7700 ($289 US) - $50 Price Cut
    Intel Core i7-6700 (259 US) - $90 Price Cut
    Intel Core i5-7600K ($199 US) - $70 Price Cut
    Intel Core i5-6600K ($179 US) - $$90 Price Cut
    Intel Core i5-4690K ($189 US) - $70 Price Cut
    Intel Core i5-7500 ($189 US) - $30 Price Cut
    Intel Core i5-6500 ($179 US) - $50 Price Cut
    Intel Core i5-4590 ($159 US) - $60 Price Cut
    Intel Core i3-7350K ($159 US) - $20 Price Cut
    Intel Core i3-7100 ($114 US) - $15 Price Cut
    Intel Core i3-6100 ($109 US) - $20 Price Cut
    Intel G4400 ($49.99 US) - $20 Price Cut
    Intel G3258 ($49.99 US) - $27 Price Cut

    Also, an 1800X under liquid nitrogen may have set a new world record in Cinebench

    http://www.tweaktown.com/news/56401/amd-breaking-world-records-ryzen-7-1800x-already/index.html
    http://www.tweaktown.com/news/56440/intel-rocked-core-over-ryzen-price-drops-begin/index.html
     
  12. I tried to find the performance difference between my i7-3770k ($350 in 2012) vs i7-6800k. This website shows the 3770k doing better at most things, except Bitcoin Mining and Cinebench R10, but then recommends the 6800k.

    How much discernible real-world difference between 4 years and 2 extra cores?

    http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Core-i7-3770K-vs-Intel-6800K
     
  13. #34 bfun, Feb 27, 2017
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    You should sell it. 3770K is going for $1047 on Newegg.

    To answer your question no one seems to know. Extra cores are a big deal if you're video editing and streaming stuff. So coincidently people who do video reviews think more cores are better. Some games seem to do better with more cores. Intel is changing their line-up so i3 will have 4 cores, i5 will be like an i7, and the i7 will have 6 cores and 12 threads. If they finally kill the dual core chip we might see a move towards better core utilization.

    In this chart, your CPU is in the green. Ryzen was supposed to match the Red with a 40% IPC gain but according to them and leaking benchmarks the IPC improvement ended up being closer to 53% which puts Ryzen in the purple chasing Skylake. What does that mean in real life? Probably not much. Stick with your i7. The crazy thing is AMD is already talking about the next gen Ryzen+ which is supposed to have a nice improvement over Ryzen.


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    Since they announced the 1600X speed of 4.0GHz I've gotten interested in that. That 7700k runs at 4.5GHz but there has been one fairly reputable site that said it could be over-clocked to be faster than the 7700k.

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  14. If I remember correctly Nvidia also issued so "guidelines" to the media on how to review Polaris.

    http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/intel-is-trying-to-manipulate-amd-ryzen-launch.html
     
  15. #36 bfun, Feb 27, 2017
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    I guess this is the video of Ryzen hitting 5.14GHz and breaking the cinibench 8 core world record. It's been pulled from Youtube. Not sure how much longer vimeo will have it.

     
  16. Huh, I thought it was pronounced risen... in hipster stylized format.

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  17. The 1600X is going to be the sweet spot, as expected.
     
  18. Wonder what time the embargo lifts today, haven't seen anything and it's already 10am.

    A UK site has one 1700 left in stock, the 1700X and 1800X are sold out.
     
  19. I think it lifted about an hour ago. Results are pretty much what everyone expected. 1080p and lower resolution gaming seem to have conflicting results between some reviewers so it might be motherboard issues. Some have it at i5 level but others have it at i7 level. 1440p and above mostly matches i7. Overclocking is limited to about 4.2 without lots of voltage.