Nvidia Pascal

Discussion in 'Technology' started by bfun, Feb 11, 2016.

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    I was able to hit 2ghz oc right on the mark but no higher in the firestrike 3dmark demo. didn't really try any more stress tests.
     
  2. eye watering prices for the Titan P :( I'll have to stay strong for the 1080ti however I'll have to pay your yankee prices because of this bullcrap brexit..
     
  3. Wow that looks great and...oh god what is that thing on your CPU?


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  4. i have a soft spot for retail intel heatsink/fans. :(
     
  5. That's okay. Now you'll have a reason to buy a Kinetic CPU Cooler when they become available. Basically instead of using fan to blow air over a heat sink a Kenetic Cooler uses a heat sink that spins like a fan. It's supposed to be way better.

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  6. #66 cmdrmonkey, Jul 7, 2016
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    It looks like nVidia isn't going to just surrender the mid-range to AMD.

    The GTX 1060 is supposed to be on par with or faster than a GTX 980 at $250 for AIB partner cards or $300 for the Founders Edition.

    Specs: 1280 CUDA cores, 6GB GDDR5 VRAM, 120W TDP, GP106 core

    http://www.hardocp.com/article/2016/07/07/official_nvidia_geforce_gtx_1060_announcement#.V37BpBUrJaQ

    Poor AMD. They seemed to have a winner on their hands with the Radeon RX 480 if they could get the power issues sorted out and finally get AIB cards out onto the market. And nVidia immediately comes along and steals their thunder with a significantly more powerful mid-range card that only costs a little more, uses less power, and will have pimped out AIB cards available on launch day, which is only a week and a half away.
     
  7. Significantly more powerful is a stretch. I'd wait for reviews before using that kind of hyperbole. Perf/w looks great though if it turns out to be what they say. The spec whore in me would have issues with paying more for 6GB on a 192-bit bus, but performance is performance and 6GB shouldn't end up like 2 or 3GB did quite so quickly. Still, unless it is at least 10% faster I'd go with the 480 because of 8GB ram and freesync being cheaper and open. Some of that depends on how well the AIB 480's turn out of course.
     
  8. #68 cmdrmonkey, Jul 7, 2016
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    True. At this point we're just going by nVidia's claim that it will match or beat a 980. There were rumors the RX 480 would match the 980 but it didn't happen with the reference cards. We will just have to wait and see how the 1060 actually performs. The slow memory bus for the VRAM is off-putting. Hopefully it doesn't cause performance issues.

    We also haven't seen AIB 480s yet and the reference cards had mediocre cooling and pcie power issues. The 480 with a custom pcb, two power connectors, and custom cooling could be a real beast and we just don't know it yet. For all we know, a really well designed 480 with an overclock might be a lot faster than the reference cards.

    I don't really have a horse in this race anyway. My 980 Strix runs everything great at 1200p while being almost silent. I bought it back in 2014 and will probably hang onto it for at least another year or two and replace it with another cool/quiet xx80 card, which is a pretty good lifespan for a video card. I just think it's exciting that we are finally seeing some powerful and interesting mainstream $200-300 cards again. It has been a few years. This is actually far more exciting for me than $500+ ultra high-end cards because most people will actually be able to afford something like a 1060 or 480, and the power that was only available in very expensive cards is now trickling down to the masses.
     
  9. I don't think the 1060 is a slam dunk yet. Nvidia moved the launch up one month probably to hinder 480 sales. They can move a launch but they can't magically produce more cards. Given the state of the 1070 and 1080 supply I don't think anyone really believes we'll see large amounts of 1060s for $250. $280 to $300 seems more likely in the first few months.

    On the flip side AMD will be launching their aftermarket 480 boards on the 14th. I think it was Sapphire that said their cards can clock 1480 to 1600Mhz. I got to believe that's going to be a good deal faster than a 980. Power efficiency is going to look pretty bad next to a 1060 but I'm not sure how much people will care. Additionally AMD will be launching the 460 and 470 around 7/29. So AMD will have a larger range of performance covered. 460/$100, 470/$150, 480 4G/$200, 480 8G/$240, and maybe the 8 pin OC version for $260 to $300.


    It seems like for the most part AMD has fixed their power issues.

    http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphi...-Power-Consumption-Concerns-Fixed-1671-Driver

    Also it's been discovered that the 1080 and 1070 have a new issue. The display port doesn't work with the HTC Vive.

    http://hexus.net/tech/news/graphics...-work-htc-vive/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium
     
  10. The 1060 will definitely lead on perf/w and will no doubt overclock a lot better. The one wild card AMD have is that clock for clock the 480 will likely be faster. So while it won't clock as high, it also won't need to. Unfortunately it isn't looking like Polaris can clock that high at all above the standard boost clock with current cards. We will have to see what AIB cards can do.

    The whole thing reminds me of how it has been for the last few years really. Take the 7950 vs 670 - The 7950 didn't clock as high and used a bit more power, but for the same price you got 50% more RAM. About a year later the 7950 fared a lot better in modern games because of this and other reasons to do with architecture differences. Same deal with the 290 vs 780. Not so much with the 970 and definitely not the 980 since AMD didn't really release a properly new chip to compete in this segment but in general it has been this way for a little while now.
     
  11. #71 cmdrmonkey, Jul 8, 2016
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    Yeah I've noticed nVidia is extremely stingy with VRAM. It was especially bad on the 780 and 780 Ti. Those were fast cards that were completely hamstrung by their lack of VRAM. 3GB is just not quite enough for modern games. The 4/3.5 GB on the 980 and 970 seems to be just enough as that's about what the consoles allocate to VRAM, but those cards should really have shipped with 8GB. nVidia is clearly going for planned obsolescence. The 480 may end up being a better long term purchase than the 1060 due to the 2GB additional VRAM and faster memory bus along with possibly better DX12 performance.

    It will be interesting to see how the battle of the mainstream cards pans out as that's 85% of the market and nVidia is currently dominating in terms of market share.

    If nVidia wins, prices will stay high and the focus will stay on high margin ultra-high end $500+ cards. If AMD wins, we could go back to seeing good $150 to $300 mainstream options like we did in the old days when there was a lot of competition.
     
  12. This is interesting. Someone released a reviewers guide that Nvidia sends out with the 1060 review samples. It includes suggested games to benchmark and Nvidia's own benchmarks as a refernce. Random pictures were added for copyright reason or something like that. By Nvidias own numbers the 1060 is 10 to 20% faster than a 480 so I guess 0 - 10% faster than a 980.

    http://videocardz.com/62138/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1060-reviewers-guide-leaked
     
  13. #73 bfun, Jul 14, 2016
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    It was originally reported that Nvidia had both a 3GB and 6GB versions of the 1060. However there hasn't been any mention of a 1060 3GB launch so I wondered if it was coming late or cancelled altogether. At this point it seems kind of weird to release a card that's faster than a 980 with only 3GB of memory especially when the competition has 8GBs. Now the latest rumor is the 1060 3GB is getting renamed as a 1050. I guess that would put it against the 470 4GB. I would expect that it beat a 470 and maybe even beat or match a 480 but would anyone even recommend a 3GB card > $200 at this point? A used 980 4GB would still be more future proof and probably around the same price. If it comes out at $150 that would be different. Something that performs like 780 or 780ti for $150 would be nice especially at 1080p.

    I think the most interesting thing here is for the first time in a long time we actually see AMD forcing Nvidia to react rather than drive the whole market. The 1070 price was probably lower than Nvidia wanted. The 1060 was rumored to have a price drop, and the 1060 3GB might now be a 1050. All good things for consumers.

    http://www.tweaktown.com/news/52996...-gtx-1060-3gb-arrive-1050-december/index.html
     
  14. #74 cmdrmonkey, Jul 19, 2016
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    Reviews of the GTX 1060 are out. The marketing claim that it would beat a 980 is simply not true. Not only does it not beat the 980, it doesn't even come close to matching it in most cases. The 980 is a significantly more powerful card than the 1060, especially at 1440p.

    Compared to the RX 480, the gameplay experience offered by the 1060 is very similar. The 1060 tends to be slightly faster in DX11. The RX 480 is slightly faster in DX12. Both cards are basically replacements for the GTX 970 and are best suited for 1080p gaming. The 480 can do crossfire to achieve better than GTX 1070 levels of performance in some games. The 1060 is not capable of SLI at all.

    HardOCP and Toms Hardware both concluded that the 480 is a better value, and were especially critical of the $300 1060 Founders Edition for being overpriced.

    It seems like nvidia was caught off guard by the RX 480. The GTX 1060 feels rushed. It also seems like they were telling tall tales about its performance to try to keep people from rushing to buy RX 480s. It does not perform like a GTX 980. And it's definitely not faster than a 980 like nVidia was originally claiming.
     
  15. Techspot made a nice chart showing value and average frame rates between the DX11 and DX12. The 1060 is a good DX11 card but the 480 edges it out on performance and value in DX12. We should see similar results in the next set of AAA DX12 titles, BattleField 1,Deus Ex MD, and Watch Dogs 2. I guess I wouldn't say either card is a clear winner. Also the 1060 sold out in less than a minute at Newegg so probably a paper launch.

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    http://www.techspot.com/review/1209-nvidia-geforce-gtx-1060/page10.html
     
  16. #76 cmdrmonkey, Jul 19, 2016
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    Yep, the $200 4GB RX 480 is the best bang for the buck at the moment. The extra VRAM on the 8GB version doesn't seem to affect performance, and it seems like some or all of the reference cards actually shipped with 8GB anyway which could be enabled with a bios flash.

    At $200 that is the card that most people who game at 1080p should be buying.
     
  17. This Gigabyte 1060 card dropped on newegg this morning and sold out just under 10 minutes. It was listed exactly at the msrp of $249.99

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125879

    I suppose it also helped that newegg decided to run a $25 off $200 paypal checkout offer yesterday to time this perfectly.
     
  18. #78 cmdrmonkey, Jul 19, 2016
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    I'm sure both the RX 480 and GTX 1060 will be big sellers. nVidia and AMD have spent the last several years almost completely ignoring the mainstream segment of the GPU market.

    And with that deal newegg was running, the 1060 is an easy sell. $225 is a good deal for the 1060.
     
  19. Newegg has some really good sales this morning. 970 - $175, 980ti - $350, Fury - $275.
     
  20. #80 bfun, Jul 21, 2016
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    I'm not sure if there is a conspiracy going on here or not but there have been lots of discussion about the new Nvidia cards not loading textures. This could be a driver issue or maybe an attempt to boost frame rates at the expense of image quality. I broke down and ordered a 1070 last night so now I'm just a little concerned.

    Here the 1060 has a 15fps advantage but doesn't look nearly as nice.

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    No textures on handkerchief.

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    Anisotropic filtering fail on the ground.

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    No tassels on curtains.

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