Religious Studies 101: Islam

Discussion in 'monkeyCage' started by alterego, Jul 2, 2016.

  1. Honor killings are religiously motivated, but that's a form of domestic violence, not terrorism. Do you think it's unlikely that there aren't at least 25 deaths per year connected to Christian fundamentalists abusing family members or killing them in the name of their beliefs?

    Baloney. Look up the history of the sovereign citizen movement...they were originally motivated to reject taxes and laws because they believed Jews controlled the government and society. Next you'll be saying that the use of Christian symbols by the KKK was just a coincidence that had nothing to do with religious extremism.
  2. Indeed. Hate group committing hate crimes, imo.
  3. Or pay them to be suicide bombers. Against...surprise!...Jews.
  4. #24 cmdrmonkey, Jul 6, 2016
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    Aside from Turkey and Israel, which are basically displaced European countries, there will never be strong democracies in the middle east, nor do most of the people there want democracy. There are three possiblilities:

    1. anarchy with terrorist groups like ISIS butchering anyone who commits any percieved slight against Islam
    2. Muslim Theocracy with Sharia Law. The Taliban is an example of this.
    3. Secular rule by a strongman Baathist dictator who keeps the crazies in line by ruling with an iron fist

    #3 is the least of the possible evils.

    There can be weak democracies, but they always collapse and turn into 1-3.

    The Russians understand this. In addition to protecting their naval base, it's why they are backing Assad. What Assad does is evil, but it's a necessary evil. The only thing Muslim barbarians understand is violence.

    Anyone who thinks people in the middle east want democracy is projecting western democratic ideals onto a primitive society that does not share those ideals. It's similar to how people project human emotions onto non-human pets. Muslims are socially and politically about 1,000 to 1,500 years behind the west. How many democracies existed during the middle ages? The US keeps making the mistake of thinking we can bring democracy to the middle east, and the results from the Invasion of Iraq to the Arab Spring have been disastrous. Trying to give Muslims democracy makes about as much sense as trying to give cavemen an atomic bomb.

    Also the attempts to make Trump out to be an anti-Semite because of one cartoon with a Jewish star are dumb. His son in law and grandchildren are Jewish and his daughter converted to Judaism. Also the majority of Jews would agree with his stance on Islam. Israel has basically already done what he is proposing in terms of restricting immigration and it has worked well.

    Maybe one day Muslims can pull themselves out of the dark ages and start behaving in a civilized fashion. Until then we need to be very careful with these people. They are dangerous savages who don't share our values and don't know how to live in a civilized society. And we should be extremely suspicious of their motives for immigrating to the west.
  5. If you're not going to vote, then you should probably get some practice putting on a sheet and burning a cross in your neighbors yard. Maybe you'll like it.
  6. #26 cmdrmonkey, Jul 21, 2016
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    lol so because I see Islam for the violent, hateful bullshit that it really is, suddenly I'm a member of the KKK? Whatever helps you sleep at night dude.

    I don't hate people from Muslim countries, I just hate their religion. And you should too. It goes against womens rights, gay rights, free speech, freedom of religion, free thought, and pretty much everything else liberalism is supposed to stand for.

    I'd love nothing more than to see all religion vanish from the face of the earth. And Islam is the very worst of all religions.
  7. You just did it again. You immediately contradicted your own argument. You have no idea what you're talking about.
  8. #28 cmdrmonkey, Jul 22, 2016
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    No I didn't. Look up Sharia Law you moron. You are defending a totalitarian ideology that is arguably as bad or worse than Nazism.

    You are a typical brainwashed ultraliberal who hates and attacks Christianity but wants to tolerate something a thousand times worse. I don't have to go through those mental gymnastics, because I just hate all religions and want to see them disappear.

    Moral relativism and being tolerant of everything is great and all. Until you encounter something like fundamentalist Islam and realize that absolute evil does exist in this world.
  9. You're just completely ignorant regarding Islam in general, or Shariah Law specifically. All you know about "Shariah Law" is what the morons of the internet and right wing media have taught you: that the extremist interpretation is the only interpretation.

  10. #30 cmdrmonkey, Jul 22, 2016
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    I've read directly from the Koran what Sharia is all about.

    There's no freedom of religion under Sharia. They either execute you outright for being the wrong religion, or if they let you live you pay a tax for being the wrong religion.

    Women are basically slaves. If they get raped they are either stoned to death or forced to marry the rapist. The women of executed infidels become sex slaves.

    Gays are executed.

    Free speech is punishable by death.

    Apostates (ie moderate muslims) are executed.

    I'm too lazy to look it up right now and google is available to you so just look it up. The Koran commands them to do all of these things.

    You act like ISIS just made all of this shit up out of thin air and there's no connection to Islam or the Koran. Except literally everything they are doing is straight out of the Koran and based on strict interpretation of Sharia Law. Their religion commands them to do these things. Because Islam is abhorrent garbage that is diametrically opposed to everything civilized western democracies stand for.
  11. #31 cmdrmonkey, Jul 22, 2016
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    Some delightful quotes from the Koran about beating women, killing non-believers, and executing gays:

    “Men are the managers of the affairs of women for that Allah has preferred in bounty one of them over another, and for that they have expended of their property. Righteous women are therefore obedient, guarding the secret for Allah’s guarding. And those you fear may be rebellious admonish; banish them to their couches, and beat them. If they then obey you, look not for any way against them; Allah is All-high, All-great.”

    “And slay them wherever you come upon them, and expel them from where they expelled you; persecution is more grievous than slaying. But fight them not by the Holy Mosque until they should fight you there; then, if they fight you, slay them — such is the recompense of unbelievers, but if they give over, surely Allah is All-forgiving, All-compassionate. Fight them, till there is no persecution and the religion is Allah’s; then if they give over, there shall be no enmity save for evildoers.”

    “This is the recompense of those who fight against Allah and His Messenger, and hasten about the earth, to do corruption there: they shall be slaughtered, or crucified, or their hands and feet shall alternately be struck off; or they shall be banished from the land. That is a degradation for them in this world; and in the world to come awaits them a mighty chastisement.”

    “When you meet the unbelievers, smite their necks, then, when you have made wide slaughter among them, tie fast the bonds; then set them free, either by grace or ransom, till the war lays down its loads. So it shall be; and if Allah had willed, He would have avenged Himself upon them; but that He may try some of you by means of others. And those who are slain in the way of Allah, He will not send their works astray.”

    "When a man mounts another man, the throne of God shakes. Kill the one that is doing it and also kill the one that it is being done to."

    Straight from the Koran. Not some ultraliberal apologist website trying to cover up what Islam is actually about.

    Google the term "Taqiya." Muslims lie about the true nature of their religion and are commanded to do so. And you are falling for it.

    This "religion of peace" nonsense is just Muslims practicing Taqiya. CAIR is an agency that seems devoted to the practice of Taqiya. The article you posted was a Muslim practicing Taqiya.

    So not only is Islam a violent and hateful religion, it's also an extremely deceitful one.
  12. #32 cmdrmonkey, Jul 22, 2016
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  13. Right now? You've been too lazy to look it up for 15 years. You're willfully ignorant and accept the extremist interpretation as if it were a fact. If so, how do you explain the millions of Muslims in the U.S. that aren't doing any of the things that you claim are "Shariah Law" and "required by the Koran"? Why didn't Kareem Abdul Jabbar and Muhammad Ali team up for a terrorist rampage since the Koran was commanding them to do it?
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  14. Well said.

    I've given up on comments posted in the interwebs. Most are just right wing racist garbage.
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  15. #35 cmdrmonkey, Jul 23, 2016
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    I posted quotes straight from the Koran right after that, which you ignored. You've never posted anything from the Koran to justify your position on Islam, just damage control articles from ultraliberal websites like Huffington Post. That's because there is nothing to support your position in the Koran. It's all hateful, violent garbage. That you won't even accept quotes straight out of the Koran just proves that you are being willfully ignorant on Islam. You are burying your head in the sand to be politically correct. You want to be tolerant, but it's hard when faced with something as evil, violent, and hateful as Islam.

    Muhammed Ali hated America and refused to serve in Vietnam. He's hardly an example of some upstanding American. It also sounds like he had a position very similar to Trump on Islam, just regarding white people:

    Really odd that you would use him as an example.

    Watch this clip and take it to heart. You are one of the pussies he's describing. People like you are just not capable of dealing with a threat like Islam. Which is fine. Pussies have their place in society too. We could all stand to be more loving and tolerant. Except if it were up to the pussies, we'd be speaking German or living under Sharia Law right now. Sometimes you need dicks to fuck the assholes.

  16. What a load of shit. You can find PLENTY of hate filled shit in the bible. That you damn all Muslims because of the actions of a few shows incredibly simplistic thinking. Look at the way you jumped to blame ISIS yesterday without a clue if they were involved. Quoting Team America as if it's an answer to anything is the icing on the cake. The problems the world faces with terrorism are multi-faceted and complicated; they require political solutions, discussions and unified actions. It's shocking that your level of thinking on this is so low and you really have no excuse for it.
  17. #37 cmdrmonkey, Jul 23, 2016
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    Political correctness and appeasement is not going to work with head chopping Jihadist barbarians. There is no political or diplomatic solution to a problem like ISIS.

    Also, where did I damn all Muslims? I don't hate Muslims, I just hate their religion. Not all Muslims are terrorists or terrorist sympathizers. But a significant number of them are. A number that is large enough that I think we need to be very careful letting them into western democracies. And ISIS is an excellent representation of what Islam is all about, as are these now weekly terror attacks. It's a violent, hateful, barbaric religion.
  18. Most practitioners live in 3rd world shit holes under hybrid/full sharia law. They aren't peaceful or violent... they are oppressed. Some condemnation is a step in the right direction in providing help and attention. Tolerant hippies are basically enablers. Shilliary is swimming in blood money while she talks big on human rights, equality for women, and defunding terrorism..
  19. #39 cmdrmonkey, Jul 24, 2016
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    Sharia Law is about as oppressive as it gets. It's a delightful mix of theocracy and totalitarianism, which is why it's so weird liberal pussies like alterego and monsly defend it when they claim to despise both of those things.

    Take everything you hate about Christian fundamentalism, multiply it by ten, and that's Islam. The mental gymnastics on display when ultraliberals try to be tolerant of Islam when they are extremely intolerant of Christianity are truly astounding. I don't have that problem because I just hate all religions.

    Also lol at the idea of me being some "right wing extremist" according to alterego. I'm a militant atheist. I believe religion is the root cause of a lot of the violence in the world. And Islam is the very worst of all religions. I'm only tolerant of religion if people can practice it without being violent. Muslims don't seem to be able to do that. Christianity no doubt has a very violent past, but has mostly been tamed and civilized.