Religious Studies 101: Islam

Discussion in 'monkeyCage' started by alterego, Jul 2, 2016.

  1. Having budgeting issues and delays for rape kits totally compares to rape victims being imprisoned, whipped, and executed for "seducing" men. Not agreeing with gay marriage is totally the same thing as gay people being beheaded and crucified in the town square. Yep those are totally equal things. We're living in American Taliban Land folks.
  2. Sure…it's just a "budgeting delay" in a completely GOP controlled state. It's just a coincidence that they didn't have budgeting for 13,000+ rape kits, and also constantly make statements downplaying rape. It's also just a coincidence that they want rape victims to have their rapists baby. They just "disagree" with gay marriage, and the attempts to pass freedom-to-discriminate laws against gays is simply a coincidence. The attempts to merge Christian churches with schools is simply a harmless mix-up and coincidence. The attempts to make Christianity the official religion of states or even the nation is just a harmless misreading of the U.S. Constitution by elected public officials. Everyone knows that they couldn't possibly want to do more than that, right? Just a few minor changes due to "budgeting" and coincidence.
  3. I don't think you have any concept of what real oppression is
  4. I don't think you have any concept of what this thread was originally about. You guys have defaulted to complaining about the laws in other sovereign countries. Maybe the thread should be retitled "Compare and Contrast World Legal Systems".
  5. #165 cmdrmonkey, Oct 11, 2016
    Last edited: Oct 11, 2016
    This thread is about Islam. Talking about Islamic Law in Islamic countries is not off-topic. You keep trying to derail it and talk about the religious right in the US or elections or something. Please read the thread title "Religious Studies 101: Islam" and try to stay on topic in the future. You refuse to have a real discussion about Islam because deep down you know it's pretty abhorrent stuff, but you are afraid of looking like a bigot if you condemn it.

    You face an interesting dilemma. You want to be tolerant, but can you tolerate the most intolerant people on the planet?
  6. You've really gone full retard, or at least pretending to. Does that map really convey a sense of religious freedom to you? Anyone born into a Muslim family in that region, is forced into Islam.

    Response was to this post, btw:

  7. Which country? Which law? It's already been proven that:

    A. Majority Islamic countries are not uniform in terms of their laws or legal systems

    B. "Shariah law" itself isn't uniform in Islamic countries that incorporate it in their legal systems

    C. Oppression is not limited to Islamic countries (check out this chart)

    Which means that…shocker…majority Islamic countries aren't really that different from majority Christian countries when it comes to the variety of laws and legal protections given to the general public. It's not uniform in Islamic countries. It's not uniform in Christian countries.
  8. Do you actually know how often people are prosecuted under those laws? From what I've seen, it's typically public distribution of something considered anti-Islamic that is the most likely to get take to court under apostasy laws. So it's not that different from what gays have experienced in the United States: don't admit it publicly, live a secret life.
  9. I guess that is technically correct, which is the best kind of correct. But you're equalizing a significant disparity in punishment to get there. Also, except for Oman, all nations in the Middle-East status woman at 1/2 the standing of men in court. So brushing stuff off as 'only family law' washes over the inevitable outcome. Islam in the Middle East is no joke.
  10. If it's not prosecuted very often, then the punishment is mainly not being public with converting etc. Not saying that's the way it should be according to U.S. standards, but then they're not living in the U.S. Besides, if you look at the incarceration rate in this country, it's obvious that not having religious oppression doesn't eliminate serious oppression.

    Are women really equal in the United States? No. We haven't really achieved that yet despite the technical aspects. And the fact that you're saying 'Islam in the Middle East' rather than just Islam proves that the problems are more about regional political interpretations than the religion itself. The rise of religious fundamentalism has been bad for both the East and the West.