Trollmander-in-Chief 2.0: The Return

Discussion in 'monkeyCage' started by bfun, Jan 30, 2016.

  1. Spoken like a true believer. I don't like or trust either politcal party. The Democrats are just slightly less gross, and tend to align more with my views.
     
  2. More like someone who actually pays attention to politics and government. The GOP has spent decades conditioning the general population to think the way that you do.
     
  3. But this election wasn't about not voting... it was about voting unexpectedly. The minority vote was mind boggling and I've been conducting my own exit polls courtesy of facebook. Anecdotally, Puerto Rican's and Cubans are Latinos that don't give a fuck about Mexico. Indians are Asians that give no fucks about a Muslim ban. Some muslims prefer Trumps ban over HC's bombings. My polling is skewed because white people deny voting for Trump at all lol.

    I'm actually no longer sure Sanders could've gotten all these votes. Neither party seems to fit them.

    Asians are under-represented high income earners. As a group, they've gotten fucked by affirmative action. Makes sense they would take the big tax cut and run.
     
  4. Indians have had their own problems with Islamic extremism and terrorist attacks, and their mortal enemy is a Muslim country.
     
  5. #385 cmdrmonkey, Nov 22, 2016
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    @alterego

    My views don't completely align with the Democratic Party. I'm not in favor of strict gun control. I support the death penalty in certain cases. And I'm okay with taking the kid gloves off in dealing with Islam. Islam is a threat to democracy.

    I want single payer healthcare, free or really cheap higher education at state schools, and support decriminalizing marijuana use.

    Neither one of these parties represents my views well. I despised HRC, but thought she was less dangerous than Trump. Although I'm not even sure about that because the proxy war she wants to fight with Russia could have escalated.
     
  6. I could be wrong but in other countries where college becomes free it seems like the perceived value of the degree is lower. When everyone is given a free two year degree it kind of seems like high school is just being extended by two years.

    I might also have an unpopular opinion about student loads but when people ask the presidential candidates about their plans to handle "crippling student loans" I'm like STFU. If your loved one gets cancer and racks up $100k in bills you can say, "hey I didn't see that coming, how can you help". When you sign for $25k in loans every year for 4 years and then are suddenly surprised by the $100k your obligated to play back, you need a dose of reality.
     
  7. #387 cmdrmonkey, Nov 22, 2016
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    The real world value of an undergraduate degree (with the exception of maybe engineering) is already pretty low thanks to easy access to federal student loans. I don't see how it could get much lower. I'd go as far as to say that most undergraduate degrees are next to worthless, which is why I think the price of them needs to be adjusted to reflect their real world value.

    I also think student loans are somewhat predatory in nature. They go after 17/18 yo kids who are barely adults and have no idea what they are getting themselves into. They have big dreams that rarely materialize and then they are left with a ton of debt and a degree that qualifies them to fold shirts or make caramel macchiatos. In the case of for profit schools, they are totally predatory, should all be shut down, and the people running them should be prosecuted for fraud.
     
  8. This is a moot since Trump will give rise to the for-profit college Industry.

    University's have become predatory they charge the same price for art history as they do engineering. They will have vastly different returns on investment. Most 17-year-olds are not going to grasp a $200,000 transaction and understand what is or isn't an effective ROI. They will sign on the dotted line and pay for it for 20 years.

    Free tuition may not be the answer. But each university program, graduation rates, placement, and default rated should be investigated. Loan guarantees should be adjusted accordingly. That fake University of Phoenix has default rates of +90%... those are tax payer guaranteed loans on a worthless degree.
     
  9. Housing, health care, and higher education are all predatory markets due to the fact that they're essentially a requirement for anyone to have any reasonable expectation at quality of life. People are automatically over a barrel and they all operate like mafia protection markets most of the time. There should be quality public options for all of them.
     
  10. Most 17/18 year olds are dumb as a ton of bricks. They have zero life experience. They are still pretty childish at that age. Preying on children with predatory lending is pretty messed up.
     
  11. Our university fees used to be free, then our greedy privately educated MPs decides to make it £3000/year around the turn of the century. A few years ago our even greedier, rich and educated for free back when it was free conservative bastard pig fucking leaders decided that wasn't enough and raised it to £9000/year.

    Now our graduates have a £27,000 debt before they even factor in housing or food over the 3 year stay.
     
  12. #392 cmdrmonkey, Nov 22, 2016
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    That's actually not bad by American standards. We have kids coming out of undergrad owing two or three times that, and often more, especially if they went to a tier 1/Ivy League type of school. People wonder why millennials aren't buying houses. Their student loan payments are as much as a mortgage.
     
  13. The Galactic Emperor of Trolling, invited the press to his home for an off-the-record troll session.

     
  14. #394 cmdrmonkey, Nov 22, 2016
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    To be fair, our 24 hr news networks in this country are a shitshow. Totally biased and sensationalist. Fox is the worst, but they are all bad. They deserved to get their asses reamed. Especially Erin Burnett. I'd love to ream her sexy ass.
     
  15. Yeah, off-the-record...and then Trump is likely the one that leaked the info so he can:

    A. Look like a tough guy beating up on the media to his mouth-breathing followers
    B. Add another complaint to his media whining..."they betrayed my trust and leaked this!"
     
  16. The average student loan in the US is around $30k but people who go to private schools can go well over $100k for a 4 year degree.

    Maybe the government needs to put warning labels on student loans. For example...

    Your chosen degree at that school will cost $120k
    There is only a 35% chance of getting a job using that degree
    It will take you 35 years to pay off the loan.
     

  17. It's really bad. Most people seem to think the news stations are only biased towards one political viewpoint but the truth is they are all biased toward profit. There was a time when news was hard to get and the media would deliver whatever story could get their hands on. Today there is so much information available that these news stations are mostly acting as news filters. They choose what gets through and what doesn't. What does go through is the most sensational stuff that can get the most viewers and generate the most profit.
     
  18. Flip side: a sizable percentage of Americans have abysmal critical thinking skills when it comes to the news, regardless of the quality...so why bother with quality?