Trollmander-in-Chief 2.0: The Return

Discussion in 'monkeyCage' started by bfun, Jan 30, 2016.

  1. In the 1950s, they would also beat your ass for being gay or black. Social conformity by force is not without its consequences either. Its not just the bad groups that get hurt, but also the out groups. I think there is a compromise somewhere in the middle of the two positions.

    I am in no way opposing people protesting and speaking out against white supremacist groups. My problem comes once people start using violence pre-emptively.

    On top of it all, I find communism just as offensive. In the 1950s, they would also beat your ass for being a commie as well. When the protesters are flying USSR flags, its lose-lose for everyone and I want no part of it. Its beyond me how communism has been passed off as socially acceptable and as a legitimate solution to any sort of problem other than "how to starve and kill millions of your fellow citizens." Both sides of these rallies are just the most awful groups in politics. One group thinks they are entitled to my blood, the other thinks they are entitled to my labor. Fuck all of them.

    Here is a truce. We get to punch Nazis and Commies. I justify it as self defense against collective ideologies.

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  2. The real world is about nuance. People support BLM because the end goal as agreeable. Peaceful neo-nazis with a permit are not as palatable.

    Should they be violently attacked? No.
    Is it an unexpected outcome? No.

    The alt-right needs to mind its surroundings and not whine about safe spaces while playing the victim. I thought 2016 was meant to put an end to the PC pussification of America.

    In the end it always boils down to: Life's not fair. Any argument on that expectation is flawed.
     
  3. This is precisely the issue. People are operating on the assumption that the end goal justifies the means to get to it. It's easy to disagree with neo-Nazis because their means and goal are awful. It's much harder to express dissent from social justice groups, because we all want the same end goal, but the problem is the methodology is having the opposite affect. Acknowledging that failure brands you as against the cause, which is counter productive. I fully attribute the new rise of white nationalist movements as a mirror result of the methodology of social justice. When you fight prejudice with prejudice, you are only fanning the flames.
     
  4. #564 cmdrmonkey, Aug 21, 2017
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    Nazis using social justice tactics to play the victim has got to be one of the more ridiculous things that I've seen.
     
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  5. #565 cmdrmonkey, Aug 21, 2017
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  6. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/22/world/asia/trump-north-korea-dotard.html?mcubz=3
     
  7. Mother Fucking Lolz
    #GoAT

     
  8. I don't know what I love more:

    1) The "big water" comment
    or
    2) The paper towel memes
     
  9. Paul Manafort, long time Trump associate, Trump's presidential campaign manager, and lawyer for Trump's real estate dealings in the 1980s has been federally indicted. Still think Trump isn't going down? Manafort, Flynn, Stone, and Page are all compromised and are all closely tied to Trump either politically, financially, or both.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/30/us/politics/paul-manafort-indicted.html
     
  10. Nothing is going to happen and you've been watching too much MSNBC.
     
  11. Yeah, but what are they going to get Trump on? Why won't he just pardon these people?

    If you're expecting a resignation due to public embarrassment, you're counting on the wrong guy lol.
     
  12. #573 cmdrmonkey, Oct 30, 2017
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  13. Papadapolous was previously confirmed in 2016 by Trump's own official spokesperson and Trump himself as one of the Trump campaign's primary foreign policy advisors. Now he's plead guilty of lying to the FBI about when he was actually in contact with Russia, which means it happened during Trump's campaign. He's probably one of the main keys to proving that Trump's campaign was colluding with a foreign power. The plea means that he's telling all to the FBI for a reduced sentence.

    So, really, this probably means Mueller already knows how to prove collusion. That's why they released it at the same time Trump is desperately tweeting NO COLLUSION.
     
  14. Probably money laundering in real estate, among other things. That's what people don't get: Trump isn't off the hook even if he resigned the presidency. Plus, people other than Trump can be charged by NY too, which means pardons are off the table. That only applies to federal cases.
     
  15. #576 cmdrmonkey, Oct 30, 2017
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    lol at the MSNBC conspiracy theories about how Trump will be impeached at any moment.

    I don't like Trump either, but I've accepted that we'll be dealing with him for at least 3 more years and I've moved on with life. I'm not obsessing about fake news and conspiracy theories the way you seem to be. If he is removed from office, it will be because Democrats run someone electable in 3 years. I wouldn't hold my breath. These are the same idiots who thought Hillary Clinton was a good idea, and did everything they could to silence massive dissent within their own party. They might even be retarded enough to try to run her again. In all likelihood, it's going to be 7 more years of Trump. You need to move on from the bargaining stage of grieving to the acceptance stage, or the next 3-7 years is really going to suck for you.
     
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  16. It sounds like Papadopoulos was likely wearing a wire for the FBI as part of his plea deal since he was listed as a "proactive cooperator". Odds are that they have incriminating recordings, not just incriminating testimony and incriminating emails. That's important simply because lying to the FBI is a federal crime in itself. Now all of the other potential targets have to worry about whether they communicated with Papadopolous and what exactly it was that they said.

    https://www.vox.com/world/2017/10/3...er-paul-manafort-george-papadopoulos-strategy
     
  17. The risk for Trump (and everyone else) is federal indictment. It's not political.
     
  18. Trump can pardon anyone and fire anyone who attempts to prosecute him. You are delusional if you really think anything is going to come of this.
     
  19. Under normal circumstances you could probably extract a resignation. But pretty much any story about Trump begins with the word "unprecedented". He'll have no hesitation about firing and pardoning like monkey just said.